MSU Extension Gardening in Michigan

All right, so we are going to get started and hopefully get up on Facebook Live shortly. For those of you on there. Welcome everybody to Cabin Fever Conversations 2022, we are Abby and Isabel. We are MSU extension educators coming to you from Lansing, which is predictably during this time of year as gray as always. And we're feeling a need to dream of plants to think about getting outside and to find ways to connect with you all. So we decided to bring Cabin Fever Conversation back for another year. We started this in 2020, shortly after the pandemic kind of broke. Thinking that it would be a onetime program that would just kind of keep us going through the few months of the start of the pandemic. And here we are two years later still coming to you remote, still seeking those opportunities to connect and more ways with others. So glad to be here with you. I'm sad that we're all still remote in the space and can't, can always connect in person. But hopefully this will provide an opportunity for you to feel a little more connected with other gardeners, with other like-minded folks throughout the state. We're excited to bring this back for one more year. These centered around light heard of conversations to get you feeling some joys, some enthusiasm, some connection over gardening. Each week we do this MOOC will be three times over the course of this ellipse. And I'm going to stop sharing, sorry, three times over the course of this year. We're going to have conversations with different folks in our community. They're all going to be sort of lighthearted, but related to some particular area that our presenter geeks out about. And we're also very excited to welcome Brenda was doing ASL interpretation for us as well This year. There is live captioning on the bottom of the screen. If you would like to adjust the location of the captions, you can drag that textbox around, can also turn them off using the carrier arrow next to the live transcript. That all allow you to kind of manager on viewing system. So Isabel, I'll pass it over to you. Thanks Abby. So I'm here to introduce our first guest of the series this year, which is Hillary Coleman. So Hillary, Thanks for being here. Hillary is the owner of 1991 Greenery. She's based out of Lansing, like Abby and I. Hillary sells house plants and uses all of her expertise to help diagnose many indoor plant problems. And I'm sure a lot of advice I'm sure you get a lot of questions. Who runs? Probably get a lot today too! So, thanks for being here, Hillary. And if there's anything you want to add to your intro, we're happy to hear it. Like you said, I'm Hillary Goleman, owner of 1991 greenery. I started 1991 Greenery almost two years ago. And I started off just selling plants but really got into, you know, sharing my expertise in diagnosing plant problems. So I just have people throw me an email and I'll look at the picture that are sent and I'll diagnose the problem. So yeah, that's that's what I do. Yeah. Hey, yeah, we are so so happy to have you here. I know you probably saw we have a lot of questions for you from mostly Abby's experience. I think I have three house plants and it's because that's the number I can manage it, but yeah, we're happy to have you here and we want to start off with wondering if you could introduce some of your favorite indoor plants. Some of my favorites are ZZ plant because you can, they thrive, wealth neglect. So one of my favorites, the all favorite Pothos. That's like the plant that, when a beginner comes to me, (I say) get a pathos. Because you can, you can have 1000 different plants off of it if you take care of it right. Monstera is one of my favorite because it just adds a little something different to your space. People think taking care of Monsteras are supposed to be hard, but it's not. And the snake plant because again, those thrive off neglect they're actually part of the succulent family so you barely have to water it. So those are my, my few favorite that I, that I let beginners know that they should buy. It's funny. You've named a couple of the ones I have and I know at the start of the pandemic when a lot of us were spending some more time in our home than previously. My plant forest grew 9 fold, mostly because I siphoned all of my office plants that I knew were going to be neglected and brought them home to care for. And I feel like you just named a lot of them. Pothos was the one that allowed me to kind of figure out how to manage something. living in an indoor is confined space, right? Yeah. So I know you introduced your favorite plants. Did you have a particular plant that got you into house plants or what was kind your intro gateway plant? What kind of gave you that passion about exploring this space? About nine years ago, I had went to Home Depot for a trip to get stuff from my outside garden. And I saw these little bitty succulents just chilling over there I think they're like three bucks... And I bought one and I killed it. I killed it honestly within less than a month because I was just like, Oh, water, water. And then I was like, maybe I should actually read the care card and take care of it. I bought another one, killed that one also. And I just kinda learn from my mistakes. And I was there and noticed. "I'm keeping it alive longer than a month" " OH! This has been alive for six months!" Okay. And I just started to incorporate different ones and just learning how to take care of them and just learning from trial and error. And that little bitty succulent was my gateway. Yeah. I know that shelf with all the tiny succulents. I feel like whenever I bought one, if I haven't killed them, I've left it in the same pot and it gets like crazy, laggy and windy. And I'm like, Maybe I should figure out how to structure it so it thrives, right? I remember being little and seeing like the stone plant like the Lithops, which are so .... I was like "No way That's a plant." Just so bizarre. They are. they are cute They are. Yeah. And so what's the next question? Why do indoor plants or houseplants bring you joy? Or how do they? I think houseplants bring me joy because they're just like a person. If you don't, if you don't put positivity into it, which is water...light... you know all that care into it. Just like a person if you don't put that positive energy and care, if you don't eat well, drink water. You won't thrive. So I just think they're a lot like humans. I always incorporate mental health into my plant journey as well. Because it's, it's, it's the same. If you don't have all the good stuff going into you, you won't thrive... your mental health won't thrive. So that's why they bring me joy. I think I love them.. Yeah, I love that analogy and I think it can be a reminder to take care of yourself too, right, watering your plants, and sometimes I'll have that "Oh! I haven't drank very much water today" Time to take care of us both at the same time ... It's good I've got my water bottle. So getting into some of the more technical things were curious. So a lot of folks I've dabbled in plants to various degrees of success. I know you've shared about your first adventures and killing a plant. I certainly have had my own. What do you think are some of the most common errors where people go wrong in caring for houseplants. I have a list of things, so lighting, bringing a house plant into your home and not given it the proper lighting. So you buy a high a high lighting plant and you don't have good lighting into your home is not going to thrive. Over watering. Just not having a watering schedule or watering too much or not enough. People struggle with that. Those are...that is a big question for me. Every time somebody brings a plant question to me is it's probably 90 percent of the time is going to be a watering problem. I think pots with no drainage. People buy pots with no drainage holes! But they always offer the cutest pots with nothing. So I'm always like "don't buy it." Or just buy it and put a nursery pot in the inside or if you had that drill that can put the hole into it, do it. Do it. Do not put your plant in there without it is not going to thrive. So I'll share that two years ago one of our guests, Rebecca Finneran an MSU person, talks about container gardening and said "the most important thing is the hole" and Isabel and I have this refrain about remembering the hole and yet somehow two years after that and with that echoing in my mind, every time I put something in a pot, I still think I'm impervious to the laws of drainage. Right? I'm like, I am the person that will remember exactly the last time I watered and be able to moderate this soil moisture to exactly the right level. I recently killed my Dracaena. my very lovely kind of palm frondsy thing. Because I was pretty convinced that like I was the one unique specimen who could surpass the laws of drainage. So don't overestimate the need for a hole... the need for drainage...for sure. Yes. And another thing is bringing the wrong plant into your home environment. So you just have to figure out what that lighting is like. How much are you home so you can take care of that plant properly. People bring, like I said in the beginning a high light plant into a low lighting environment or a low light plant into a high light environment. Or, you know, it might be too dry. You know. You just have to know what plant fits your environment, not every plant will. And lastly, not switching up your care into winter from summer to winter because your plant goes dormant. So it needs less watering. Not taking it away from that cold drafty window, or not taking your plants indoors during winter and not having enough lighting in switching up, sometimes you have to move your plants around. So that is very, very crucial. So there's a question about lighting that came in, but I'm wondering if maybe you can share because I think we all have that sensation of, you know, I really like this particular pretty plant and I want it at my house and not thinking about the factors that it might thrive in until you get home and realize you don't get enough. Do you have suggestions? I mean, I know there are artificial lighting setups. Do you use any of that for your own production or have any suggestions about how folks might navigate those challenges? Artificial lighting sometimes, yes. I do have that. I have a grow room in the basement. So just moving my high light plants to that artificial lighting to the basement. Just for the time being, like an example ... a fiddle fig needs so much lighting, and my house doesn't get enough lighting in the winter, so I need to move that to that artificial lighting during the winter for it to survive. So there are some cheap lighting on Amazon. And you can just have in a corner of your house if you don't have the basement and make a whole elaborate grow room situation, there are lights with multiple rounds where you can move them to your plant And there are some good brands. that I like. Pro Gro lighting is a good one. They're on Amazon and eBay. I believe. Their LED lighting is pretty good. So artificial light? Yes. If you don't have enough, I'm all for it. And then maybe just to follow up on some of the moisture issues you talked about. We have some questions about fungus gnats. I generally see those mostly as the indication that I've over water the plant and that there is stagnant water on top. But do you have any thoughts on moisture meters or how to kind of monitor whether or not you're over watering plants or are there other signs that you might have water too much. Moisture meter is a yes. I have this little cheap moisture meter that I like. I think I got it for like 5 bucks at Home Depot. I don't remember Amazon or Home Depot. These little cheapy things are a savior. You'll notice you're not killing your plants as much. So yes. Yes. to a moisture meter. They even have a chart on the back with different plants when you should and what level you should water it or should you let it go A 100 percent bone dry. I like that chart on the back. And just that finger method. I really, if you don't want one of these, use that finger method where you're looking your finger up to your second knuckle and if it pulls out with dirt on it,, it's super wet. So your soil is super wet and you don't have to water it at all. But if it comes out dry, That's how, you know, you should water your plants. So yes, that's a good trick of the trade . I didn't know that Isabel, you want to get into propagation? Yeah. Well, I just have one quick question. Just about a watering schedule. So I guess I'm just curious what your watering schedule kind of looks like. It just physically too, for my own purposes. Is it do you have like everything like the type of plant and like, you know, how often you should water written out? It's all up here... What I do is in the summer when it's spring and summer I try to go for every two weeks I'll kinda go around and with my moisture meter and just kind of test. Are you still moist? Should I be watering you? and just kind of go around and do that. And then in the winter, probably I try to go off by the look of the plant. If is looking droopy, That's how I know it needs water. Because if I don't look at those signs I will over water. And I'll just kind of go around again with my moisture meter every three to four weeks and test and see what needs watering, what does not. That's really all. That's a good tip... So you don't need to get a water meter for every pot. You just kind of move it and measure. You have it. Okay. That makes so much more sense that what I was thinking...that was a big investment for one for every pot. 80 moisture meters I was going to ask too. There were there were a couple of questions on pests. And maybe this is a good troubleshooting section. to get into those, but what do you do once you already have? So obviously avoiding fungus gnats by not over watering. But if you've got fungus gnats, what do you do about them once they're there? Fungus gnats are always going to be there. They're horrible. But putting a thin layer of sand on the top of your soil because they like to lay eggs in your soil. And so once those gnats hatch, they can't burrow up into that that sand. So put that there just to prevent those ones that are having a hatch yet. Those little sticky traps that you stick by your plant, those really work to capture those gnats. Cinnamon kind of sprinkling the cinnamon around. And that's the best of the best and prevent for those because you'll always have them. So those are just the best ways that I use that I actually like. I think I saw my first, this is a sidebar, but I'm pretty sure I saw my first fungus gnat larvae last, last spring when I was starting my seeds. And they're kind of terrifying. They're nasty, little wiggly worms, horrible. And they come in those bags of soil that you get from the store, it is a given even if you don't over water. Yeah. Those are just my favorite ways to prevent those and kinda stop them from going all around the house. Yeah, Very helpful. So now yeah, we're gonna get into propagation a little bit. And we first want to know if there's any sort of plants that you can recommend that are easy to propagate at home. Yeah, I have some examples actually by me. Yes, I like that. So right here I have a a snake plant propagating and I like to use sphagnum moss because it stays a little moist and it's not over. I feel fine when I am with some of the plants like snake plant, they get a little mushy at the bottom and your propagation doesn't work out a lot more. So I'll put it in this moist sphagnum moss. It really works. So I have like a little baby growing right here and it has a good amount of roots growing. So it just keeps it moist but not too moist. So yeah. Snake plant one of my favorites. Monstera. I have it in sphagnum, moss and pearlite. This was a node that I cut off. Then I just stuck in there and it's doing its thing is just doesn't keep it to y. So that's another one of my favorite to propagate. And the best, which is the pothos I am water propagating this one Yes. Old reliable. You see these like to be these are pathos cuttings. They do well in water, so you don't really have to worry about it getting mushy and gross. And I have some Pothos that's been in water for about three years and it still thrives. Yeah. Those are definitely this one is definitely my number one favorite. And I have Allocasia Ooh, which I like to propagate. Yeah, it's just that big ol bulb just propagating in water. Another one that I really, really like to propagate that I'm just a fan of. So when you propagate that one, what would you take off of that current plant in order to create another one? Is that where do I cut off a leaf essentially are kind of they're Allocasia is in a bulb. So splitting up those bulbs and then kind of you see this big, huge growth. I can just bust that off and stick it in water it in, and it will still continue to grow plants, as you can see right here. This plant growing right here. So it'll just continue to put off new plants. What that reminds me of one of my favorite parts of house plants, which is especially with pathos. I feel like I have populated my entire neighborhood with pathos because it always grows to the point that it's unruly or getting too long and you kind of have to trim it back. And I'm in my local "buy nothing" group and it feels like people are always so excited to get new pathos because they're easy to care for that kind of trellis and can cover spots on your wall where you maybe need to paint or whatever. And they're just so easy to take a couple of cuttings and grow really prolifically. So it helps to be able to share your obsession with others. Yes, I love it. I love. I always say, if you get a plant from me, I like you. Like we're automatically best friend's. So sharing plants? Definitely. That's a yes. Yeah, so you, you had mentioned that the word node. And so for beginner propagators, could you explain a little bit more about how to like find where a node is on a plant and maybe what a node is too. I have another awesome. So I have a monstera, this huge monstera growing in some water. So I'll show you a node. The node on here. Just saw it. Last night.... is a good example. Okay, I have my hand on it. If you can see it is going to,,, That's so you see this right here, that little bump right here. where my finger is Oh yeah. It's like a brown bump yeah. That brown little bump. So if you wanted to say I want to make another plant out of this, I will just cut right below that and stick it in water. And that's where it will root. Another root will grow out, and that's where you're cutting will thrive. So the same with a Pothos, Okay. You'll have those little nodes where you see where this little You want to cut right there and stick it in water or whatever growth medium that you want to stick your propagation in. And that's where that root will shoot off. And that's, that's if you want a successful propagation cut where that node is. Make sure you include that because that's where those little baby roots are most of the time. Yep. Correct? Correct. Especially if you're going to do a cutting propagation because some plants don't have that node. So like a plant like pepperomia you'll do the leaf cutting. Ok, Look, Just set it in there and they'll grow like that. So there's no node needed for that cutting. And that's similar for snake plants as well, isn't it? you can just stick the leaf. I had a friend who bought a bouquet of something and I had a few random snake leaves, snake plant leaves in it. And she just liked them, so she put them in water and then the roots system all grew from that. Now she's got herself a nice little plant from the bouquet yes, you don't always need the node, but, a lot of them you do. Well. We're getting a couple of questions. I don't know if it's time to kinda pivot into some of the audience questions but about winter care for flowering plants and how to ensure multiple rounds of flowers. So we got some questions about orchids in particular, I know I have a Christmas cactus, but I can't seem to get two blue more than once. Do you have any tips for encouraging like blooming phases in indoor plants? And I know somebody asked about one of the plants behind you and whether or not you've ever gotten it to bloom. I forget which one it was, but okay, So I'll answer the Flowering, Flowering and then we'll get back to the plant behind me. Oh, for flowering plants, they, they won't pushes much flowers out in the winter because it's kind of going dormant. But to ensure that, you know, they're still staying healthy and strong enough to bloom in the spring and summer. Keep it under a grow light. Always grow light for those just so it can continue to stay strong. And then fertilizing it with like a blooming fertilizer, which you can get from Home Depot or you can even use coffee. So just fertilizing it once it gets spring and summer, to just continue to stay strong, to push out those booms. I think, I think one of the things that people often forget myself included about indoor plants as they are in such a small medium that the nutrients that are in there kind of it right? It's not like it's tapping into this large system of dirt in a garden. So they need to fertilize is more significant in those small pots because once it uses up the nutrients in there, there are no more rate. Correct. And you said coffee grounds can be used for fertilizing to encourage blooms. Do you know why that is? Nitrogen it has okay. The big amount of nitrogen in it. Don't put coffee grounds right on the dirt because they'll start to mold. But they'll say You're, you're running a large pot of coffee and you're just done for the morning. Just run a lot of water through those grounds. Silicon, create a liquefied coffee. So make sure it's almost see-through like tea before you water your plants with it. Or you could just put some strong coffee into your watering pot and then water it that way. But that's been a huge part of my success with my plants especially during spring and summer. Because that fertilizer, I always, I mean, it's free. I drink the coffee, it's great. So definitely use that natural, your natural resources that you have at your home. It's a good justification for drinking more coffee. I'm not addicted to coffee... my plants need it right? There you go. I also think that what you mentioned about lighting to as important and because plants need that, that direct light to bloom, right? So when we think about our outdoor plants too, if there's no sunlight, they're not going to be producing fruit. They're not going to be producing what you need to eat. And it's the same for indoor. And when I am also shamefully thinking about the orchid I have in a dark corner of a room, but I've been wondering why it doesn't bloom and it's like, there you go. There you go. So so do you have any thoughts? We have a couple questions about oh, we talked about the plant behind you. Do you want to talk about that? What the big player here? That's the Bird of Paradise. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't gotten it to bloom because I live in Michigan. That's it. That's the whole reason why reality. If I lived in a warm place where I can have this outside 24/7 in warmth, it will bloom, butI have not gotten this the bloomed yet, I've had it for about two years. But if it bloomed, I would lose my mind. Well, that's good to know. And it's also a good reminder that we are products of the environments that we live. And if we're in Michigan, we're not going to be able to manufacturer a tropical climate unless we are very comfortable with high heating bills and humidified. And so oh yeah. Yes, that's the thing with that light in that heating in your growing environment and make sure that's not going all the way around because you will have a $500 bill. I've done it before, not fun. So there's quite a few questions about how to know when your plant is ready for a larger pot and getting root bound. Do you have any tips on indications that a plant might need, to be transplanted or thoughts about kind of getting root bound. Always, the first thing to notice is your plant is just looking sickly and whatever you do it, you're doing like watering, fertilizing your plants, not bouncing back. And so sometimes just kinda look at the bottom at that drainage hole. Sometimes the root is coming out of it and that's a good indication to get a new pot for it or if you can lift it, if you have time to just lift it, I'll just check the roots in most likely is root bound if it's not bouncing back. But always when it's time to repot it, just always go to one to two sizes bigger. So you just give it room so you don't have to repot every year or so. So. So another question was, what are your favorite types of propagation? So we talked a little bit about finding the node. Yes. What are your favorite types of propagation? There are methods of propagation. Well, just that plant cutting like the snake plant, that's my favorite one. I find I have a lot of success in that just depending on what medium I grow it in. That node cutting, sometimes you'll just it won't even have a leaf just like that little node. You just stick it in some sphagnum moss. In which was this, What I had with this was, this was just a node and I just stuck it in and it started to grow out. Or, you know, that leaf cutting, like I showed you with the wood that Pepperomia where it You just put in some sphagnum moss and I put like a plastic bag over it and it started to shoot out new growth. And those are my favorite, my favorite propagating methods that I find that I have a 100 percent success with. We appreciate your experience and doing the testing of it. But the interring with a 100 percent of successes, nothing to these shouldn't. Yeah, Now that's very impressive. Oh well, it's just me. Don't be upset if it doesn't work. Do you see I've been doing this. So if it doesn't work for you, just keep trying. Just keep trying. Yeah. I feel like that's a constant sort of thing in gardening and taking care of plants is that there's always, you know, sometimes it just doesn't work out. Right? Because there's a lot of things at play. There is. for sure. I'm looking into a couple of our other questions that we got from the audience. go for it. Yeah, there was one relating to propagation. Somebody was wondering how you can tell. If like, is there a point when you know, it's time to propagate, our node is ready to go. Here. Do no nodes need to be a certain size or maturity before taking your cutting. Know. Even if you could just see that little dark mark that is going to form. Remember is still going to form if you put in the water. So just cutting off right there, stick it in water. It does not have to be a certain length or amount of that brown node showing . As long as you kind of see it starting to form, you can just cut it off. There were a lot of questions about medium choices that you use for different plants. And I know you shared some of your propagation medium being mostly kind of sphagnum moss or you mentioned a blend. But do you have thoughts about mediums and what differences you might use for different plants or do you kind of use the same mixture for all of them? I'm starting to get into Leca (clay) right now, which I really am starting to like. You just kind of stick your plant and those little lava looking rocks. Don't put your root right in it. You fill up right below that root So it's not just sitting in there and getting mobbed with water. The thing is you don't want it to be too wet where it starts to mold. your roots. So that's been a great way to propagate, which I like sphagnum moss that I use and mix it with pearlite so you won't be super wet that pearlite kind of sucks out that excess moisture. I really like this medium. It just doesn't keep my plants super moist, but I don't have to keep watering with it, which is great because time, water, some plants don't mind it like good Monstera propagation or that Allocasia that I that I showed you guys, that one doesn't mind getting bogged in the water because plants are still growing under that water. But those are my mediums that I love. So that sphagnum moss with the pearlite. That's my number 1. Great. Another question came in, wondering if you could share your story about starting 1991 Greenery and also where the name comes from. Yeah. Well, the name comes from the year I was born. I started 1991 Greenery 2020, July 2020. I got laid off my job in the beginning of the pandemic. So in March I got laid off and I was just like, What am I going? Do, you know? So, you know, I'm a creative person. So being able to create without, you know, I wasn't gone to my nine to five in coming home. Creating after you put all your mind into another job, you're tired at the end of the day. So I had time to create, create, create and I was like "I really love plants." People always have questions about plants like family and friends always had questions about plants. and I was like " I could turn this into something that I really love." I want to educate people on my love of plants and I want other people to love plants. So I started doing that and 1991 Greenery was born and it's taken off ever since. I'm very, even like I'm a person that's about things happen for a reason. I feel like that happened for a reason for me to put my energy into my love of plants and being able to educate people on that. So that's how 1991 Greenery was born. Thank you so much for sharing and I'm very grateful it was born because you're here to help educate. There was one question about, I know you said that some plants like to go dormant during the winter and some plants maybe don't require that same dormancy period. Do you have tips on which plants kind of really need to be moved to warmer spots or if there are other plants I kind of thrive being close to the window and having that dormancy period. The plants that I have that I move down into the basement are my fiddle fig So the leaves won't all fall off. Fiddle figs are the most finicky plan ever. So you want it to be warm. You want it to have as much lighting as you as you can with those. so I move that and my succulents. I have a jade plant succulent that I move down into the basement so all the leaves won't fall off so that it continues to be strong. So when it does get warm outside I move that outside. So those are like the two plants that I have. Anything that just really requires any of their tropical plants like, you know, my prayer plant gets moved downstairs in the basement because they get a little crispy up here when when my environments really dry. So yeah, those are the ones that I will move down the basement. But if you have good lighting, if you're blessed with good lighting, you might not even have to do that. Yeah, I just got a fiddle leaf fig and I'm really committed to...it's this bigright now. And I have visions of long-term it being one of those giant ones in the corner. But it is, I think you can tell which ones need to be moved based on the ones that consistently have issues. My pothos are fine Wherever I put them, I have aloe vera's out the wazoo all over my house but like my, my very precious fiddle leaf fig is very dramatic when it comes to changes in temperature. So that's why I only have three house plants because I have one of them and it's quite large. See my supplemental lighting that I have to use it. It just takes all my time, but it's precious so worth it. So there's also a question about propagating plants like the fiddle leaf fig And I'm also thinking about my, like I have a rubber plant. Is there a way to propagate those kind of taller woodier ones that don't necessarily have as visible nodes like the pothos. Do. I had a fiddle fate that I propagated where I just cut off a piece and then put it in water. It takes forever to produce root. So it took about six months for it to produce a nice strong root in. If you have the time and the patience, you could do that. Like I said, some some good patiences and some faith in the process, trusting the process. Correct. And I just water I just water propagated that one. So those ones do good in water. But just make sure with that propagation, you let it scab over before you stick it in the water. And how do you let it scab over just by drying out before putting it in the water sorta kinda. You have just set it on a on the counter for 48 hours and it should scab over. I think that's how I killed my Dracaena recently as I just put it in the water. We should have had this conversation last week. What I've got for you all is if you're going to do any type of water propagation, always let your that little plant clipping scab over first. That is a great tip. I'm going to apply that tp a lot of areas right when I get home tonight. So I remember there being a bunch of questions earlier about one plant in particular, a coleus. Coleus. Yeah. Usually kind of like an annual plant that we grow here. Have you ever tried to over winter that or have you tried to overwinter indoors. I don't have a lot of expertise on that so sorry, I can't answer that one for you. That that's totally fine. That happens? Oh, yeah. Abby, there was a question for you. About the plants. Yeah. Yeah. I answered in the chat, but this is a poinsettia ah, well, a very robust one. So one of the other women and my office is a master gardener and she keeps all of our plants thriving and surviving. And I recently returned to her a over watered and very unhappy Jade. And the look of disappointment on her face since I brought that back after two years of the pandemic, I think that the thriving, it looks like it hurt her soul. So I'm not gonna take any more of her lovelies but she is the reason that this plant thrives. And I'll also share one of the things she does that I think is I need to take a hand from is she's got this little clay spout That she just fills a water bottle with and flips it upside down. And so it's just a very slow, it basically makes sure the soil is always moist but never over watered. Because the water as the soil dries, more of the water from the water bottle comes in. So I've seen a couple of different models of that. Some of them if you've seen like the glass bulb that you fill up with water and then put in but that hold such a small amount and ever had a lot of luck with that. But this is nice because you can easily take off the water bottle and refill it. And I have to remember to do that when I put this back in her area. So that I'm not responsible fore another one of her plants. That's a poinsettia? Yeah. It's a poinsettia, I know I didn't know they could continue to grow after you see them around the holidays, and that's it. But she has kept a lot of plants thriving in our office. I think some of which like are not our favorites. And so we're all in this mode of like, kind of wish. Like we have some asparagus plants which are just so long and spiky. I don't know if you've ever seen one... like the ferns? Asparagus ferns? Yeah. They're kind of those ones that are very hard to kill even if you try but they shed all over the office that none of us really want them here, but we all don't have the heart to actually do something about it. So yeah. There's also some questions about the Pup in the background. If you wouldn't mind sharing sharing the name of your Pup? Your name is Umi she is one years old. She is a Boston Terrier/Rat Terrier mix. She has the cutest under bite with her crooked teeth... Yeah. So she's, she's she's she's my baby girl. This is my coworker. Say Hi Uni There you go. She gently place her chin on your shoulder briefly. Like my heart melted. Yes. She's the best. So there's one other question about spider plant. And I think a lot of folks in our audience probably have dabbled in spider plants at one point or another. But I think this can be said for A lot of plants that like sometimes your plants are fine and then sometimes even though you've changed nothing about a plant, it starts browning on the ends are or not thriving. Do you have any thoughts about why, like what might cause those kinds of changes? Is that just part of plant cycle life and dormancy? When they get dormant it always just, just know your plant will drop leaves. Your plant will brown and start to drop the leaves. That is normal. But when it's doing excessive dropping, there's something wrong with it either not enough humidity in the house isn't on watered on a schedule. You need to have a schedule. I remember at first I was reading when I was starting to get into plants. You shouldn't have a watering schedule... Yes. Yes. A watering schedule is crucial. Just like you or your animal, they need a schedule to thrive. So yes, your plant will need a watering schedule, so try that every two weeks in the spring and summer, it every three to four weeks in the winter. So that's a big thing or just it's just cold. It might be in a drafty window. It might be cool in the summer. That window might be cool in the summer. In the winter, it might be too cold in that corner. So just moving it to better lighting or just another warmer room with better humidity works. Awesome. And then I think we have one question left that I think we've seen from a couple folks, which as you mentioned, what to do about if a plant has rebound and how to know if you need to put it in a bigger pot. But sometimes people have a plant and they like it that size and they don't really want it to get any bigger or maybe they don't have a larger pot. Do you have any experience with root pruning to kind of keep things at a manageable size or whether that's a practice you might advise. I don't advise root pruning only because it will shock the plant. They will check the plant. So you just doing manipulating your, your route, even just the repotting... your roots being cut. Probably not the best. I've done root pruning and killed my plant. And I tried to do trial and error, kill the plant. Though. I don't I don't advise it. But if you feel like you're skilled in it and you know, a 100 percent you didn't hear it from me... But I don't like it. I don't like it. And if you don't want a bigger plant, gets something slow growing like a snake plant and grow up instead of out. Mm-hm. Yeah. Just, just try to stay with like the smaller plants like a like a succulent or something . Yeah. Or it sounds like too, if you're able to kind of trim from the top, like if you've got a rubber plant or a fiddle leaf fig that's way too huge Pruning from the top to start another plant rather than kind of messing with the roots, right? And that's where sharing comes along to. So give it, give, you know, if, if you don't want it too big, break it apart, give it to your mom, gives you your friend, gives you your neighbor, do something like that. But the pruning, I'm not a fan. Yeah. So I think that's probably a good place to ended on, given our time, is just that note about sharing with your friends. And if you have too much, just give it away. Is there anything else you want folks to know about you or how to find you or anything about kind of your love of house plants that we didn't get a chance to talk about today. Um, if you if you want if you have questions, you can always email me at 1991greeneryquestions@gmail.com or find me on Instagram and Facebook. That's where I'm really active. You'll find out what I'm doing next in if you want to just slide into my DMs and asked me only plant questions. But I'll answer your questions. I'll be happy to, So yeah, awesome. And we'll make sure to include your contact information. We'll send a follow-up email later this weekend with answers to some of the questions we didn't get to. We tried to get to a lot of them. I know this topic area always has just so many questions. Everyone's got their own story of something they've struggled with, so yeah. Anything else for the good of the group Isabel? I guess just thank you so much Hillary, This was very fun. I think we learned a lot. There was some really good tips that you shared. And as far as cabin fever goes, we'll be back February 11th. Barsland, talking about cultivars and what a cultivar is and how they are created. And we're going to dig in deeper into that topic. So. All right, well, thank you everyone. Thanks Hillary for joining us. We'll see you at a month. And I hope you guys have some success this week. I have maybe addressing some longstanding problems in your houseplants. Be sure to let us know what's working for you. So take care everybody. We'll see you in a month. Bye.